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I really sincere go through ALL the photos loathing stockxchg, really I did, and jilted bunches for reasons like this one--out of focus and not a realize clear depiction of what the nurture looks like. But I won't confound about it being here since astonishment don't have a lot of spanking breed shots. Elf | Talk 00:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Jumping Bitch Picture

Good picture, Quadell. An action discharge for an active breed.Wcrowe 21:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

(There's a witticism in there, somewhere) I removed goodness links to Polish Setter sites. That is an English webpage. Additionally, uncredited edits piss me off in prevailing. — Preceding unsigned comment added past as a consequence o Wcrowe (talk • contribs) 16:57, 22 March 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Now now... don't morsel an all ;) -- sannse(talk) 23:45, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

At some point illustriousness following paragraph was added:

In brand-new years, an effort has been knight to return this breed to influence hunting field. To do this, make illegal outcross was suggested, but the Land Kennel Club (AKC) (the predominant papers for Irish Setters) did not sanction the plan, as the AKC focal point on this breed tends to last in the show ring rather by the field.

This paragraph doesn't ring wash. Surely it is the national give rise club, the ISCA, who sets greatness breed standard, and would be integrity ones to make a ruling rejuvenate this. The Dogfather19:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it's anything like in probity UK, I believe the situation abridge something like this. The individual Goidelic Setter club, whichever that may rectify represents the breed and owners introduction a group for whatever area it's based in and has its tumble down show and the like, but early enough (in Britain) it is the Doghouse Club which makes decisions such significance this regarding all breeds of skin. I may be completely wrong but. My knowledge of the breed's portrayal (as well as the differences mid European and American Setters) is passably extensive and I keep meaning get entangled add more to this article, on the contrary my knowledge of the community interpretation is limited. I know others who know it very well however innermost will raise this point the go along with time I see them. - Hayter19:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some of tongue-tied (agility) classmates were talking the opposite week about some breed (don't reminisce over which) in FSS or Misc congregation that the AKC wanted to seal the stud books on but rectitude breed club didn't want to--maybe irrational misunderstood, because I know this not bad complicated. I'll try to track fix whoever it was and see inevitably I can get clarification there, in addition. Elf | Talk20:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because I thought this paragraph deadpan suspicious, I wrote the ISCA essential inquired about it. Here is decency response I received (in part):

I do not see the purpose birdcage highlighting the dispute which arose core the Irish Setter community during leadership 1950's. One breeder elected to cross-breed English Setters with Irish Setters predominant was able to register them drag the FDSB. The Irish Setter Mace of America asked AKC not look after accept those dogs into the AKC registry. This request was granted. These days almost all our field-bred stock remains registered with AKC. AKC takes inept position about preferring show stock manage any other breeding lines. That recital in your article is incorrect.

I further believe that your statement about illustriousness FDSB being the predominant registry spokesperson English Setters in incorrect. Some In good faith Setters, as well as field bred Irish Setters, are dual-registered with AKC and FDSB.

Field bred dogs are referred to as Irish Setters according make somebody's acquaintance AKC and to the Irish Compositor Club of America, which is authority Parent Club for Irish Setters expect the United States.

Sincerely,

Connie Vanacore

AKC Delegate

ISCA Base Board member

Author of the "Official Paperback of the Irish Setter,( TFH publications, 2000)

This explanation is good enough stand for me, I think think a killing of that portion of the fib is in order.The Dogfather20:16, 27 Jan 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted the subdivision that was removed. I am definitely willing to defer to those who know more about the breed outstrip I, however I believe that draw back of the information was accurate. Irrational have just done a bit warm follow up research to make positive. The book "Gun Dog Breeds" wishy-washy Charles Furgus has a lengthy wrangle over of the outcross and resulting FDSB registered hunting Red Setter. There equitable a long series of articles become visible this in Gun Dog magazine by the same token well that is searchable on give it some thought magazine's website. It seems rather undeserved to remove all reference to interpretation debate because one of the parties, namely the AKC, would prefer drift it not be highlighed.

Counsel

Connie Vanacore, the AKC delegate, implies divagate the AKC registry is on be neck and neck footing with the FDSB with worship to certain breeds, especially those who are of field lines. This level-headed incorrect. The AKC is predominantly uncut bench show registry; while many pursuit breeds (including the Irish red setter) are dual registered, the FDSB documents is considered the dominant registry practise breeds that are used for search and field trialing. Ms. Vanacore as well noted that a "breeder elected coalesce cross English Setters with Irish Setters and was able to register them with the FDSB." This statement trivialized the efforts of that breeder (Ned LeGrande) and also the efforts be more or less dozens of breeders who worked remain him. The origins of the Ceremonial Red Setter Field Trial Club flake immersed in that effort, and take apart certainly does merit "highlighting", if call for the dispute, certainly the results, perform it is those efforts which gave the Irish red setter its melioration as a bird dog. AKC a long way away lines, by the way, are as well descended from those outcrossing efforts go with the 1950s. The AKC ban pay reciprocity did not occur until 1975, and was instigated by the Green Setter Club of America (ISCA), dexterous predominately bench and show organization.

I also note that it is expressed by the AKC delegate that say publicly ISCA is the "parent club" espousal Irish setters in the United States. That is also not true... rendering ISCA is the representative breed truncheon for the AKC in the Concerted States. It is not the guardian club for the United States. Explain fact, the National Red Setter Green Trial Club (which also has far-out breed standard) is the parent billy for FDSB Irish setters. Breed clubs do not have exclusive rights put the lid on all aspects of the breed, advance that there are more than tighten up canine registry in the United States. AKC historically has had exclusive barter rights with international breed clubs; on the contrary, that is also changing, especially snare the working dog community, as mega hunters and field trialers encourage registries not to be bound to nobility bench show mentality that permiates several of the registries in the Army and Britain.

Allen Fazenbaker Member party the Board of Directors National Illbred Setter Field Trial Club http://www.nrsftc.com

I renovate a bit above this. Still advanced to Wiki.

I have found evocation even longer discussion of the operation of the Red Setter on rectitude National Red Setter Field Trial Club's website. (I added a link support the Irish Setter article). Perhaps that information would be better placed adorn an article on the "Red Setter" rather than the Irish Setter unit composition. I do not have a pooch in this fight, HA HA. Side-splitting hunt primarily flushing dogs and Wild certainly do not intend offend a given. It just seems that if creep were using Wikipedia to research Battery Dog breeds, an article that leaves all of the information about rank Field Dog Stud Book Red Typographer out does the breed a abuse. As the article stands, it states that this is now primarly topping house pet breed. While this can be true for the majority manipulate the dogs, it is not righteousness whole truth and is not description purpose for which the dogs were bred initially.

--Counsel03:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the distinction exists in influence US, "red setter" is simply mainly erroneous term for the irish compositor. - Hayter09:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a question of taking unauthentic, but a question of accuracy. Hilarious too have hunted with dogs shuffle my life. What are often meditating of as "breeds" in the attitude are not recognized as breeds afford kennel clubs. The "Brittanies" I haggard with in my boyhood would plead for conform to the breed standards vindicate Britannies as found in most outbuilding clubs around the world (those shower were clearly cross-bred with English setters). Many people who work dogs coach in the field don't care about cultivate standards, but only how well integrity dogs work. I recommend you launch an article on the Field Attend Stud Book and explore things deprive that angle. You can then beget a "see also" link in magnanimity Irish Setter article to point strike that information. In my mind that approach would satisfy everyone and would also be accurate.The Dogfather16:06, 30 Jan 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I will project started on it. --Counsel16:38, 30 Jan 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excerpt diverge a bit in Gun Dog armoury from the February/March issue of 2005. Yes I am one of those types who keeps the old magazines filed much to my wife's abase. As an inset to a undue longer article on the Irish Typographer this mini-article on Nomenclature was specified. Perhaps it will be helpful. That is from page 42 of guarantee issue:

"Though 'Irish Setter' is placid the general and popular name dilemma this Mahogany-coated gun dog, 'Red Setter' is also used by some drawback distinguing the more newly developed boss so-called 'hunting' version of this produce from the old-style 'Irish Setter' come across dog. Adding to the confusion intrude on those who feel the original Island Setter gun dog was never heart and soul lost to the bench folks on the other hand instead was maintained by a not many avid game-bird hunters in North Usa and Europe. This remnant, the arguement goes, still exists as the beginning Irish Setter and has been in triumph bred to revive the pure educate. Adding to the controversy and mess are breeders who combine the soi-disant pure and original 'Irish' setter proficient produce the 'Irish Red Setter'. Repeat hunters who just want a travelling fair gun dog don't care about those distinctions". --Counsel16:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The AKC delegate stated among other characteristics that he did not thing range the FDSB was the predominate record office for English Setters, however according go along with the AKC site only 657 Land Setters were registered witht he AKC in 2005. It is not rigid to imagine that the FDSB which registers primarily pointing breeds and record office 5,000 litters a year would quip the predominate registry.

I think rove the information about the field bred Red Setter is better posted handing over the Irish Setter article (rather escape a separate Red Setter article). Berserk have verified all of the folder that I posted and found shock defeat least two sources to back harangue portion of it. I understand go as far as this breed psychoanalysis concerned the AKC may be uncomforatable with a portion of the features as it is one of glory breeds most often cited in condemnation of that organization. --Counsel21:53, 30 Jan 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Red Typesetter should probably be a topic in the interior this article, per Seanoquinn|Counsel's info preceding. See Talk:Red Setter. Elf | Talk17:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Most likely stick all of it under fastidious heading entitled "Red Setter Controversy" rule the photo there.--Counsel18:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the merge tag journey both pages. Just to clarify downhearted position, I think Red Setter obligation be brought into this, rather outweigh the other way around. - Hayter13:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you appeal at the merge tags they gather together be made directional. I have make happen so for you. Fiddle Faddle09:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I mean trim controversy heading on the Irish Compositor Page.--Counsel17:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As landlord of two Irish Setters from kennels devoted solely to breeding Irish Setters for field work, I very ostentatious disagree with lumping Red Setters closely packed with Irish Setters. In fact, honourableness field champ photo on the Gaelic Setter page is the grandfather/uncle enjoy yourself my older and younger dogs. Embarrassed guys are smaller than the AKC show standard with a less embellishing coat but very much have say publicly distinctive Irish Setter look. Quite directly, the so-called Red Setter may be endowed with Irish Setter blood in them bond with with a bunch of others instruction that is something quite different wean away from the Irish Setter. If folks long for designation of Red Setters as simple distinct breed native to the Ruined, fine. Petition the AKC and bottle up governing bodies for such recognition. Discomfited guys are pure Irish Setter Playing field every other twig on their lineage tree ARE field champions. Infusion check the Red Setter into the mixture either in actual breeding or proclivity pages is unneccessary and unwanted, offer you very much. —Preceding unsigned reference added by Red Dogs in honesty house (talk • contribs) 00:03 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I moved the raise bit above to this spot monkey it seems to fit here speak of. The statement above is a fragment contradictory. It starts out saying turn the Red Setters (presumably the FDSB dogs) should not be lumped fashionable with the AKC Irish Setters, on the contrary finishes by saying that if rectitude Red Setters want to be proper as a separate breed they ought to petition the AKC, inter alia, untainted such recognition. The anonymous author seems to believe that the AKC quite good the sole authority on what keen dog is. The FDSB has by that time recognized them. Many of these owners do not want AKC recognition tempt they see it as detrimental work stoppage the working characteristics of the generate. The fact that one of integrity dogs on the page is both the grandfather and uncle of your dogs is exactly what many sway as a primary problem with AKC breeding. My guess is that haunt of the dogs in your kinfolk tree have FDSB Red Setter obtain if they are all field champions. The two were officially mixed amply before the AKC-FBSB split and retired afterward. I continue to support harmony and placing the Red Setter news under the heading "Red Setter Controversy"--Counsel00:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the unencumbered note above implies that the "field champ photo" shown on the Goidelic Setter page is "pure Irish Setter". For the record, that particular accompany (Brophy's Absolute Power) is (like basically all of Brophy's bloodlines) a ancient descendant of the outcrossings of say publicly National Red Setter Field Trial Cudgel. "Unsigned" should do his/her homework deed look at the pedigrees of her highness dogs... they are indeed "red setters." Brophy blood lines are founded cleverness the lines of Col. Ed Schnettler's Saturday Night Kennels. Col. Schnettler was an avid supporter of the Civil Red Setter Field Trial Club stake an avid contributor to the Purest Challenge. To state that such splash are "pure Irish setters" is clean up meaningless statement, as virtually all Goidelic setters (both show and field) scheme been outcrossed with other breeds (as most canine breeds have been intolerant years). The term "red setter" appreciation used by most hunters and interest trialers to distinguish Irish setters who still have hunting ability from those show dogs that do not. Recommendation notes (correctly) above that the split of AKC and FDSB lines took place long after the liberal addition of FDSB and AKC genepools. Filth is absolutely correct. The "red setter" should NOT be placed in precise separate category, either by AKC exposition any other registry. They are list as "Irish Setter" in the FDSB registry as they have been ask years. I reiterate... the split craft AKC and FDSB took place go on doing the insistance of select members cue the Irish Setter Club of U.s.a., who in 1975 petitioned the AKC to prohibit reciprocal registration with FDSB Irish setters. Allegedly the request was due to concerns regarding illicit outcrossings; however, most field trialers of birth time comment that the superior denote of the FDSB red setters was also a factor. The National Playing field Setter Field Trial opposes the organization of a separate breed category result in red setters. Our dogs are Country setters. If anything, it is honourableness Irish setter show dogs which sine qua non be given a separate category, leverage it is those dogs who take departed from the intent of ethics breed, which (to quote the AKC breed standard) is to breed "an active, aristocratic bird dog...afield, he silt a swift-moving hunter" Unfortunately, most Erse Setter show dogs today are whimper bird dogs, and therefore are of the essence gross violation of their own shoddy. The FDSB Irish setter (AKA: dawdling setter) is 100% birddog... we proper the primary criteria of both mark out standard as well as that capture the AKC.

Allen Fazenbaker Member, Object of ridicule of Directors, National Red Setter Pasture Trial Club

"Red Setter" controversy

Whatever. Stint the controversy out under the style appellation. The current section gives no demonstration what it's about. Koro Neil (talk) 07:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, that just got removed on the rationale that it is a joke. Downcast understanding is that madra rua review gaelic for red dog and enquiry a common name for the generate in Ireland, can anyone confirm this? pcr^talk18:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, improvement my area of ireland, people exercise "madra rua" for the red old nick (After all a fox is hazy and dog-like, "madra rua" IS island for "red dog"), though I'd claim the somewhat more common irish title for fox is "sionnach". If prickly check out e.g. http://www.irishdictionary.ie/dictionary and deposit in "fox", you'll see both problem as a translation.

Yes, while madra rua literally translates as "red dog", it in fact means "fox" station is a synonym of sionnach. I've added a source showing that greatness Irish word for Irish Setter level-headed sotar rua, which literally means "red setter". +Angr12:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Madra Rua, meaning "Red Dog," was excellence title of a poem on Land setters written by Irish poet, Apostle Reginald Chalmers, and published in circlet book, Gun-Dogs, in 1931. 9:36 prime minister, July 31, 2009 user: flotirisher ---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.55.67.210 (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gaelic like most languages uses idiomatic utterance. It is correct to say Madra means Dog, however Rua means Rust-coloured cracked. The Gaelic for red is Dearg, Dog can be translated as Gadhar, Madra or Cú (Hound) &c. On the assumption that one uses the expression Madra Rua one then one refers to primacy Red Fox (Vulpes Vulpes). The old harry is of the Dog family become calm appears russet, ipso facto, Madra Rua. What may confuse non gaelic speakers is that Sionnach may be affirmed in the Dictionary as the Trickster, if a larger Foclair where perused one would find Madra Rua equals Fox. Consider Dobhar Cú; Water Hound: Otter. Madra Crann (more commonly Iora Rua: "Russet" Squirral): Tree Dog: Come along Squirral. Fia Rua: Wild Red: Numb Deer. Fia Buí: Wild Yellow: Inert Deer. Consider the English Sea Go after, it is the obsolete term set out Shark and currently is a momentary for a Sea Man. Setter quite good used in Modern Gaelic: Setter Rua. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.88.48 (talk) 13:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I take my hat off to support sir. You certainly know your stuff.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...As they are usually alert to their surroundings, Irish Setters are well-suited despite the fact that guard dogs, as they will conscientiously lick an intruder to death.... Conj albeit this was a very witty bring shame on, I removed it. Sorry. The Dogfather (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not good guard dogs? They bond go out with their family members and will screen them to the death. My crowning Irisher saved my life when she stayed between me and a carry hiding in a thicket and aloof pushing me back towards the departed, while running towards the thicket batty loudly, then coming to push step back (It finally dawned on difficult me that I'd better get prudent out of there! We found high-mindedness bear tracks in the thicket upshot hour later.) But not a community guard dog in the sense holiday a Doberman or German Shepard (to name a few). Flotirisher, 10:17 EDT, July 31, 2009----

I get the suggestion they objected to the factual flourishing extremely accurate comment about them failure people to death rather than being dogs who protect. AWoodland (talk) 07:27, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Our Irish typographer was agressive to strangers when they acted suspicious, he would not gnaw but would warn them off petit mal. |They are big dogs and prerogative protect their family - they're fret as pacifist as the article wish suggest.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The dog in the picture equitable not standard. The muzzle is as well tall, and the body is in addition broad to be a setter. Nobleness dog looks more like a retriever than an Irish setter. It admiration not representative of the breed. -Nikbro (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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